As my gateway to Plantagenet-70 comes thru Anne Couvent. WebGeorge Washington (descendant of Edward III of England) Thomas Jefferson (descendant of Edward III of England) James Madison (descendant of Edward I of England) James Monroe (descendant of Edward III of England) Elizabeth is the daughter ofJoan (Beaufort) de Neville LG[unknownconfidence] Peter is the son ofSir Thomas Gerard[unknownconfidence] One of those relationships is a possible direct relationship to Edward I. I did find some grandfathers I didn't know about. 15. 8. Of the 70 individuals, 32 settled in theSouthern Colonies, 27 in theNew England Colonies, and 11 were part of the Quaker migration to theMiddle Colonies. Joan is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG [unknown confidence] No hurry as it appears you are being bombarded! The following is a complete list of all New England Gateway Ancestors of proven royal descent published by Douglas Richardson in 2013. Surprising -- I'm descended from Edward III, through the Skinners, Talcotts, and Hollisters of Connecticut. Gary Boyd Roberts compiled and fact checked a large number of GARDs from the 1970s though the 1990s (see The Connecticut Nutmegger 10: 3-12, 187-98, 393-400 (1977-8); 12:372 (1980); NEHGR 141:92-109 (1987), 150:461064(1996)). Edward III (r. 1327-1377) | The Royal Family Edward III (r. 1327-1377) Edward III was 14 when he was crowned King and assumed government in his own right in 1330. William is the son ofMary (Wilson) Danforth[unknownconfidence] T 1. 9. Thomas is the son ofHenry Algernon Percy KG, KB[unknownconfidence] Martha is the daughter of Dorothy (Wheatley) Bliss [unknown confidence] 9. BTW, Joe, RJ Horace, gets the credit for this line! John is the son ofIsabella Bruce[unknownconfidence] 21. Younger gentry sons who received no inheritance who didn't become merchants or other professionals and moved away would take over the copyhold of a farm and/or worked as household servants, which would explain a baptism record for Clifton/Rock Savage. Family trees are said to have a pedigree collapse as more and more of the same Constance is the daughter ofEdmund (Plantagenet) of Langley KG[confident] 2. Thomas lost his parents who had a son Thomas who was not born in Cheshire, married someone else and never emigrated. Jonathon is the son ofElizabeth (Bliss) Wilmarth[unknownconfidence] James is the son ofJoan (Beaufort) Stewart[unknownconfidence] 8. Are Hugh Jones and others "Gateway" ancestors? 14. Duncan is the son ofDuncan M'Kie[unknownconfidence] 1. 7. James is the son ofThomas Jefferson Stroud[unknownconfidence] 4. WebThe last decade of the reign of Edward III was years of decline. 14. 8. 14. 3. I share it below. The lineage was discovered through Mary is the daughter ofElizabeth (Mansfield) Wilson[unknownconfidence] Philippa Plantagenet, (5th) Countess of Ulster = Edmund MORTIMER. Some kings even made their illegitimate children their heirs when they did not procure any legitimate ones. John is the son ofEdward (Plantagenet) of England[confident] 12. 10. Henry is the son of Henry Anderson Dickinson [confident] "Hugh Harry, Quaker Immigrant to Pennsylvania: His Purported Royal Descent", in The American Genealogist, vol. Susannah is the daughter ofMichael Woods II[unknownconfidence] It's partly the sheer numbers. I'll get them Ellen. Elizabeth is the daughter ofDorothy (Wheatley) Bliss[unknownconfidence] John is the son ofAlice Harry[unknownconfidence] :). Edward III is a possible cousin. 6. John is the son of Richard Lake Thomas is the son ofNancy (Stubblefield) Stroud[unknownconfidence] Edmund is the son ofEdward (Plantagenet) of England[confident]. 11. Is climate change killing Australian wine? Lionel is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England. 10. Agnes is the daughter ofAnne (Greystoke) Bigod[unknownconfidence] Susannah is the daughter of Michael Woods II [unknown confidence] PS I am still building my line to the Connecticut Talcotts. The final edition includes a total of 688 immigrants of Royal or noble descent. Samuel is the son of Daniel McKay [unknown confidence] Edward III is the 16th great grandfather of Ulysses S. (Uncertain) 1. 8. 16. [unknown confidence] What helps is this was a really close community they all are witnessingeachothers weddings or baptisms, so that's also how we know and can figure out the relations between them all. For example Order of the crown of Charlemagne includes a total of 390 immigrants of which 143 came to New England: Perhaps the fight for liberty is more your style? Henry is the son of Eli Dickinson [confident] well I can tell you are related to me as Glasscock is a surname of mine I will run just make sure! Benjamin is the son ofJohn Absalom Knox[unknownconfidence] Most people who can connect to a few other families on wikitree will have cousin relationships to basically everyone else on the main tree including royalty. Doris is the daughter of Homer Ferry Dickinson [confident] The list was kindly provided by Douglas Richardson, author of theRoyal Ancestryseries. "We've all got the same number of ancestors, we just don't always know their names," she says. For John to be the father of Joan, I think he'd need to have married again after his wife died in 1462. I had cause to look at the book in which the Mary Fienes claim was made. Iver McKayEmigrant, bornKilmory, Bute, Scotland, Unsourced. 8. Please enable JavaScript in your browser's settings to use this part of Geni. 11. "I always say to people we are all related to each other. You are probably right Trudy. Hi Joe, This has been a fascinating thread! Beth is the daughter of Steve Glasscock [unknown confidence] Al Clemnts, you and I are related through the Simon Crosby lineage. But I will: Charles Hansen. PS I am still building my line to the Connecticut Talcotts. 5. Edward is the son of Ann Tomlinson [unknown confidence] His son, Richard, who was aged 9 years became heir to the throne. Patrick is the son of James McKie [unknown confidence], 7. Daniel is the son of Iver McKay [uncertain] Obediah is the son ofSarah (Flanders) Clement[unknownconfidence] Although he was eldest son of Edward III, he predeceased his father thus never became 8. John is the son ofEdward (Plantagenet) of England[confident]. Nathaniel is the son of Elizabeth (Savage) White [unknown confidence] The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Magna Carta Ancestry, 4 vols. 12. 14. John is the son of Joan Janet Stewart [unknown confidence] Thomas is the son ofAlice (Fitzhugh) Fiennes[unknownconfidence] 2023 BBC. Each Ancestor's name is followed by the volume number and page number: In addition we include newly proven lineages which are currently being accepted by royal hereditary societies: The Royal Descendants of 600 Immigrants (aka RD600) first published by Gary Boyd Roberts in 2003 with a second edition in 2006 and finally a third edition in 2008. The Bagley connection is very interesting. I'm going to update her profile and disconnect the Gordon(s). He was an associate of English Colonizer Sir Ferdinando Gorges in a colonization scheme fo https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18700092/john-oxenbridge. 18. What this really shows, according to genealogy experts, is that if you look back far enough a surprisingly high number of people will find a royal ancestor. 20. Henry is the son of Elizabeth (Gallup) Stephens Regarding Mary Fiennes, according to a curated site at Geni, someone mentioned that Mary Fiennes was indeed the daughter of Sir George Gregory Finnes and Lady Anne Saxeville, she is allegedly mentioned in the "College of Heralds." Katherine is the daughter ofAgnes Bigod[unknownconfidence] The secret mine that hid the Nazis' stolen treasure. Richard is the son of Joan (Harrington) Peck Iver is the son of Duncan McKay [unknown confidence] Iver is the son ofDuncan McKay[unknownconfidence] Hi, I've just rerun the Relationship Finder -- through another line, I'm still a descendant. Any help appreciated. Thanks Joe already looking for Thomas and others, and added the source with the records and transcripts + translations, to the post above. 14. Edward abdicated the British throne in 1936 to marry her. https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.ide/120/mb.ashx, https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.ide/120.1/mb.ashx, Archibald (Campbell) fourth Earl of Argyll. 2nd ed., (Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2011). Colin is the son of Archibald (Campbell) fourth Earl of Argyll [unknown confidence] "I've discovered through DNA that my father is not my father. Patrick is the son ofJames McKie[unknownconfidence] Because I match bigod. Joan is the daughter ofJoan (Beaufort) Stewart[unknownconfidence] Lynden Rodriguezcommented:I have one, Alice Harry-118, but she's not on the list, and her line may not have been developed enough. Richard is the son ofJohn Harry Nance[confident] Regarding the Lake line, everything after Richard Lake is in error. James is the son of Katherine Agnew [unknown confidence] It has been proposed for a while on the Edward III descent table, but if we disconnect here then do we know who to connect her to? 8. Do you have a gateway ancestor from a population group other than American colonial immigrants (e.g. 14. Thank you for doing this Joe and Andrew and others. William is the son ofMarcus Knox[unknownconfidence] James Stewart, Duke of Rothesay (1507-1508) 9. 9. The source I added above also explains a whole lot about the names and the confusion about them, some were translated and written in Dutch or Dutchified , so for someit's reallyhard to recognize they were the correct ones, sometimes theywere registeredwith just their patronymics, and so on so it's quite a puzzle . 16. John Oxenbridge of Boston, Massachusetts IV: 300; V: 395, Oxenbridge, Rev. I'm trying to go back through these lines to see which still need fixing. 2. The line must be very well documented. 5. "We're all part of a giant family," says Prof King. Its happened to all of us. That seems reasonable to me, no one in the family ever thought of a royal connection! Do you have any evidence that connects the immigrant ancestor back to Scotland? (Round 2), Edward III Project - Gateway ancestor - I think I have one, A possible gateway ancestor for Edward III project. WebEdward, the Black Prince (15 June 1330 8 June 1376), Duke of Cornwall, Prince of Wales. I have the same connection to all of the surety barons whose line hasnt died out. And to illustrate the point, he's also another descendant of Edward I. John is the son ofWilliam Knox[unknownconfidence] I've disconnected Richard Lake from his erroneous parents. Elizabeth is the daughter ofJoan (Beaufort) de Neville LG[unknownconfidence] Mary; its possible her parents sources have some information about her husband. Their relationship caused a constitutional crisis that ultimately led to Edwards abdication. Plantagenet Ancestry, 3 vols. Prince Lionel of Antwerp =1 Elizabeth de BURGH (4th) Countess of Ulster. 6. William is the son of Wiliam Fleming McCoy [unknown confidence] Dan is the son ofDaniel C. Joslin[confident] Thank you Kirk Hess for correcting the profile of Elizabeth Fairfax. Good to know. 15. Includes citations for all sources. Jacob is the son of Nicholas Ide [confident] By the time you go back more than 20 generations or so, based on the average reproduction rate, everyone will have millions of ancestors. 11. FYI: we've also been dinged before that Scottish wives generally didn't take their husbands last names until very recently. Anna is the daughter ofThomasine (Constable) Lumpkin[unknownconfidence] He claims to have proved that this John couldn't be the ancestor of the Copleys of Doncaster, who are generally said to have inherited his property. 5. Hawte Wyatt is on the list, so yes it works as a proven line from him on up to EIII. On 8th June 1376, Edwards son and heir, Edward the Black Prince, died. . In addition various lineage societies also maintain current lists of GARDs and GANDs. The Baronial Order of Magna Charta (BOMC) keeps its own list of Gateway ancestors that descend from the barons who forced King John of England to sign the document at Runnymede on 15 Jun 1215. mentuons another John Harrington in circulation, though it doesn't say how he connects. Elizabeth is the daughter of Charles Somerset KG [confident] I agree that this particular family lacks good evidence but they aren't as suspect as some of these other lines we can easily disprove. 12. On both my parents. 15. Janet is the daughter ofAgnes (Douglas) Livingston[unknownconfidence] Patrick is the son of Patrick James McKie [unknown confidence], 6. Thomas, of Cambridge, Ipswich, and Roxbury, Massachusetts II: 412, II: 477, Eaton, Mabel (Harlakenden), of Hartford, Connecticut III: 225; III: 27 4, Edwards, Agnes (Harris), of Cambridge, Massachusetts and Hartford, Connecticut III: 234, Farwell, Olive (Welby), of Concord and Chelmsford, Massachusetts V: 330, Giddings, Jane (Lawrence), of Ipswich, Massachusetts III: 552, Goddard, William, of Watertown, Massachusetts Ill: 92, Hackburne, Katherine (Deighton), of Roxbury and Dedham, Massachusetts II: 412, II: 477, Harlakenden, Elizabeth (Bosvile), of Cambridge, Massachusetts I: 444; III: 225; V: 355, Harlakenden, [Lieut. There's also an explanation about why it's sometimes so hard to find them here, Dutchified names + sometimes they only were registered with the probably also Dutchified patronymics. New gateway ancestors: The Duncanson sisters of New Netherland? but Vincent will have got it from the Visitation, so it's not independent. Roberts, Gary Boyd. Rather than separate trees, she says family links become like interwoven thickets. Archibald is the son of Beatrice Campbell [unknown confidence] I started a new G2G topic for the Southworths. I am not in a hurry at all and I appreciate your help, as well as the help of those who went before us to build these trees. It is not in wikitree, which shows the earliest common ancestor at King John. 14. Thomas Ligon is profiled on Who Do You Think You Are when they were tracing the ancestors of Courtney Cox. ), https://books.google.com/books?id=swQVAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA81, https://books.google.com/books?id=hS47AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA199. Summarizingthis blog post about hisda. 12. of " the Earl of Cassillis" with a da. The House of Gordon v. 2 has no mention of William Gordon's wife but does mention his grandson Alexander m. a da. Thomas is the son of Havisia (Neville) Heslarton Edward III Project: Gateway Ancestors - do you have one? Richard is the son of John Lake Alice is the daughter ofRichard (Neville) de Neville KG[unknownconfidence] Best I'm getting is that Aske-59 is Mary not Jane and is the daughter of Aske-60. I think the Pecks of Wakefield had a dubious family pedigree a long time before Somerby. 21. So what's going on? The five volumes of Royal Ancestry by Douglas Richardson published in 2013 being the most recently published currently contains the most up-to-date research outside of journal articles published since 2013. 1. Rev John Oxenbridge BIRTH 30 Jan 1609, Daventry, Daventry District, Northamptonshire, England DEATH 28 Dec 1674 (aged 65), Boston, Suffolk County, Massachusetts, USA BURIAL Kings Chapel Burying Ground, Biography== Humphrey Davie, of Boston the son of Sir John Davie, MP, 1st Baronet of Creedy and Juliana Strode* Humphrey married 1. There appears to be no evidence that Frank Wheatleigh even had a wife named Mary, so Mary Fiennes may never have existed. Welcome to Geni, home of the world's largest family tree. William is the son ofRichard Nance[confident] 17. I do not think any of them have a line to Edward III (which is what we are looking for). The most significant would be if John of Gaunt were not the son of Edward III which enemies suggested in his John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England [confident] 14. 3. John is the son ofJohn (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG[unknownconfidence] Joan is the daughter ofJohn Beaufort KG[unknownconfidence] along with writing up a discussion of the problems. 3. Andrew is the son ofKatherine Gordon[unknownconfidence] Mary is the daughter ofThomas Southard Jr.[unknownconfidence] Robert is the son of John Gordon [unknown confidence], 13. 13. Elizabeth is the daughter ofHumphrey (Tuchet) Audley[unknownconfidence] "The Ancestry of William and Ann (Bagley) Brinton: Quaker Immigrants to Pennsylvania" in The American Genealogist, vol. (All English monarchs since Henry II were descendants of Malcolm III of Scotland, and all Scottish monarchs since James II of Scotland were descendants of Edward III of England; see this chart.) But it wasn't about being related to a medieval king. Cecilia is the daughter of Joan (Strangeways) Berkeley [unknown confidence] 3. I'll keep looking. Lucy is the daughter of Anne (Heslarton) Buckton 17. 15. 9. 18. Joe, Thank you for your comment, I am a newt and can't say that I understand it all. Regarding that second line I posted above, I find that my paternal grandmother has a different supposed lineage to Edward that runs through Henry Peck, the brother of John Peck Esq, whose profile is one of several that has particularly weak sourcing. 12. 10. Joshua is the son ofMary Anna (Embree) Duncan[unknownconfidence] This trail tells us that Edward III is the 15th great grandfather of Daniel. But charlomagne was his 19th grandfather. Patrick is the son of Andrew Agnew [unknown confidence] Copied here to make easier to research and comment on: 3. Ms Churchill, whose parents are no longer alive, says it made her realise that she hadn't lost any sense of identity by finding out this lack of a genetic connection to her father or the ancestors she had researched for so long. 11. Henry Stevens Jr. WebHawes, Edmund, of Duxbury and Yarmouth, Massachusetts III: 272 Haynes, Mabel (Harlakenden), of Hartford, Connecticut III:225; III:274 also 95. 9. Richardson doesn't mention any kids, though he omits to say "They had no issue". Duncan is the son of Patrick Mckie [unknown confidence] Thanks, RJ! 5 Volumes (Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2013) Available on Amazon. 21. Added: The PGM immigrant descendants (i.e. Because the Connecticut Tisdales were also in that line -- through, Charlemagne and find relationship to him or for that matter any ancestor that far back. https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Relationship&action=calculate&person1_name=Plantagenet-70&person2_name=Beauchamp-1979. William is the son ofRalph Eure[unknownconfidence] For grins and giggles, I ran a relationship finder on Edward's son, John of Gaunt (Plantagenet) and had another positive hit through a completely different family line. And his or her pedigree goes back another twenty or more generations including Barons, Kings and Knights. "I don't get my identity by thinking that back in 1630 there was a guy called Thomas Churchill who's my ancestor. 9. Bea - if you could also look into Edward Southworth, Thomas' supposed younger brother and his sons Constant and Thomas I'd appreciate it! I thinkJohn Fitz III(Fitz-11) needs his generational qualifier removed and hisparents removed unless there's an objection; I've already updated Sir Fitz (Fitz-23)'s parents. Elizabeth is the daughter of Philippa (Plantagenet) Mortimer 11. Thomas is the son ofThomas Fiennes[unknownconfidence] Anne is the daughter of Thomas John Heslarton Enter any two WikiTree IDs to see their genealogical relationship. 19. 7. Jane is the daughter of Lucy (Heneage) Reade [ One day you stumble upon one of your ancestors on an Internet tree. The lineage was discovered through Rev. The relationship finder says that Edward is my 20th great Grandfather but I do not see any of my family on the list. Catherine is the daughter ofJoan (Beaufort) de Neville LG[confident] Michael is the son ofWill Dan Joslin[confident] Great work! (and unless my search skills were poorer than usual then there are some definite falsehoods). As you probably know, Col Hansen breaks the line in his article, but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence both ways. Sarah is the daughter ofBridgett (Fitts) Window[confident] This trail tells us that Edward III is the18th great grandfatherof Kristina. Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America Before 1700. Michael is the son ofJohn Andrew Woods[unknownconfidence] Further, Nicholas' wife Martha was living at the time Thomas wrote his will -- but Thomas never refers to her in any way. Edward III is the 21th great grandfather of Rachael. Leave it to my ancestors to miss the boat, as it were. Mary is the daughter ofGregory Fiennes[confident] Katherine is the daughter of Patrick Agnew [unknown confidence], 9. Sarah is the daughter ofSarah Jane (Colby) Flanders[unknownconfidence] 21. and heiress was Mary, who m. 4 times: (1) to her ward Henry Percy, 9th Earl of Northumberland's brother Sir Allen Percy (d. 1613), (2) eloped with Thomas Darcy who d. shortly after the wedding, (3) Sir CharlesHoward, 4th son of the 1st Earl of Suffolk (d. 1626) and (4) Sir Richard Grenvlle (1600-1658) 1s. https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.ide/120/mb.ashx WebThese individuals, who have asked to not be publicly identified, are descendants of Henry Somerset, 5th Duke of Beaufort (1744-1803) who was 15 generations removed from Edward III by an all-male line. She says a genealogy study suggested that a child born in England in the middle of the 20th Century, who could trace their ancestry back to England in the early 13th Century, would have 80% of the population of the time in their family tree. 16. They had a son Thomas but he married Elizabeth Whitmore and died in 1655. Most populous nation: Should India rejoice or panic? Hello! Create a list of proven gateway ancestors as a tool for future research. Mary (Macgregor) McKayBorn Argyll, unsourced. "It's not that uncommon," says Graham Holton, a tutor on a postgraduate course on genealogy at the University of Strathclyde in Glasgow. 23. For William Douglas says his wife's name was unknown &in his version of the Janet Kennedy story above, Alexander Gordon and Janet Kennedy had a da. This trail tells us that Edward III is the20th great grandfatherof Janine. Jane is the daughter of Catherine (Neville) Mowbray [unknown confidence] Thank you. I have this guy - can I help be the Disconnectrix? The idea of royalty is wrapped in ideas of being special and apart - but Prof King says the genetic reality is that we're all the product of centuries of mixing and merging, migration, social rises and falls, interrelated in many ways. "Family is not necessarily genes, and family isn't necessarily ancestry," she says. 19. W. Henry Brooks (1831-1900) 7. 12. I disconnected Jane (Reed) Niles from the parents she was attached to, so the first questionable line I posted above is now cut off. John is the son ofJoan Janet Stewart[unknownconfidence] The key question is going to be what is the evidence that the immigrant Thomas Southard-61 was from Leiden and that he was the son of Thomas Southworth-72. 10. Can you add sources from the linked Ancestry page? Elizabeth (Mott) Littlefield Daniel McKayEmigrant, born Kintyre (now called Tarbert), Argyll and Bute, Scotland, no parish. I will get to all of these potential lines eventually. 2. Mary White . He goes all the way back through Edward I to William the Conqueror. Sarah Jane is the daughter ofSarah (Eldridge) Colby[unknownconfidence] Philippa is the daughter ofLionel (Plantagenet) of Antwerp KG[confident] 10. WebRelationship Finder. 14. and Hartford and Windsor, Connecticut I:114, Almy, Audrey (Barlow), of Lynn and Sandwich, Mass. Neil D. Thompson. Elizabeth). 15. Elizabeth is the daughter ofJohn Mansfield Esq, MP[confident] Ulysses S. is the son of Jesse Root Grant [confident] 2. 17. These Lake's are also in my ancestry. John is the son ofElizabeth (Touchet) Sydenham[unknownconfidence] Im also desended from my great grandfather King John I of magna carta infamy. 13. WebAncestor charts showing the family relationships of Edward III, King of England (13121377) to other famous people. Charles is the son of Henry (Somerset) Beaufort [unknown confidence] Links to all of them can be found on this page. This appears to be the basis of the undocumented supposition that Mary was the daughter of "George Gregory" Fiennes. 14. 11. 16. But -- I do not see the names on your list. Henry is the son ofHenry Percy[confident] 10. After finding that my own [alleged] descent traces through a recognized Gateway, it dawned on me that I could check the relationship paths for my other ancestral lines to see if there are some questionable gateways to Edward.
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